a different science: Not my will, but God’s be done

No advice, but can you read Psalm One, and make it mesh with your last paragraph (not the p.s.)?

That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither- whatever they do prospers. 2But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night. 3He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers. 4The wicked are not so, But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.…

Thanks. Not sure God views me like that man in Pslam 1 — feels more like I’m doing the Job thing. Might have a sequel tomorrow of today’s.

I’d rather imagine you’d want to be that guy in Psalm 1. I know I do.

True, and often have I been told to listen to what others have to say, because they might be speaking for God to me, but always I’m to take up with God what I need to hear. My experience, God’s perspective is often very different from my perspective, and seldom in agreement with what other people tell me. I suppose that was Job’s experience, too, but he had the fun time of having the devil unleashed on him. I don’t know if that’s what happened to me, but it sure feels like it most of the time, and I ain’t near as reverent and respectful about it as Job was, maybe because that might have been a made-up story. I’d hate to think it wasn’t made up, but sometimes I fear it wasn’t. That part in the Gospels where Jesus said his yoke was easy and his burden light, I ain’t never been able to make any sense of that. Having God on my case ongoing provides a sense of security, as opposed to not feeling God on my case, which I have experienced and it’s very unsettling. Maybe that’s related to the peace of God which passes all understanding. Or maybe it’s just a kind of security blanket, being glad God’s around, even if it feels horrible most of the time. Obviously this is not one of my better days, nor was yesterday. The day before yesterday was a little better. I remember spells, though, when it was a lot rougher than now. One spell was so rough I gave up altogether.

Referring to the Bible, I always figured I’d just buy the whole thing. At least what I could understand of it. And, at that, realizing that God reveals stuff to us through it, it’s not that I could figure it out on my own.

Otherwise, I’d be condemned to constantly critiquing it, and I could never learn from it.

Hence my feeling is that the Job story is literally what happened. And none of it was Job’s fault .. it was all God’s decision but in the end, Job ended up with twice what he’d ever had before. Plus if we’d ask Job right now, he’d probably say it was worth it if only for the encouragement he could see over the last couple thousand years, that his story’s been to some people.

You’re a far more educated and if I might use the term brilliant, man, than I am. I flunked out of my first year at Purdue and quit after 7 weeks at Butler. I’m also aware (I think I heard) that your law degree would be viewed today as a JD, and that’s quite an accomplishment.

And you are right about God using His followers down here to do some of the work, here.

It might be considered a bit escapist to think that God’s really involved in what goes on down here, including for instance, the airplane crash action against the FAA. I know (at least I think I do) how much you might have beaten yourself up over that; it showed in what you said and in the email exchanges you posted (which was a pretty admirable act of transparency in itself).

I think God wants you to have good days. Anything I can do to assist in that, well, I’m old and retired and other than cardiac rehab on Mon-Wed-Fri’s at 7am, I don’t even HAVE a schedule. As in anything else to do.

I’m reminded of a rural Christian minister I met in the fall of 1998, a few months after I came out of a 16 month hell hole which had been imposed on me from above. My recovery and accompanying healing were pretty ragged and strenous. My mind was in tatters and was taking seasons to start functioning in what felt like an okay manner.

I was introduced to this minster by a Christian intercessor, because he had been though a very rough time himself, and had been hospitalized during it. The psychiatrist assigned to him accepted his sense that it was a God-imposed passage, or at least saw no problem in testing that theory, as the patient showed no signs of causing trouble to himself or others. So the psychiatrist did not use pills, injections or electroshock. Eventually, the dark night passed and the patient was okay. The psychiatrist was okay with it and released the patient.

He told me this when I met him. He then was pastoring three different rural churches, riding the circuit so to speak. When I said I felt the entire Bible was written in code, and to read it literally missed the entire point, he said that was true. When I said Revelation was something that happened in John, something he lived through, the minister said that was true, also. When I said I’d never heard of a Christian minister with that point of view, he said he had a number of friends who were ministers in other states who had that view, and sometimes they got together for a few days to talk about things they had not one else to talk with about those things.

Even before the hell hole came, I was being shown different ways of looking at some Bible passages, than the way I had always been taught to look at them. After meeting that minister, that teaching continued, mostly from the spirit side, as I never ran into another minister like him, and even he and I did not see eye to eye when I told him I was involved with a woman God was trying to take back into Eden with me, and me with her, paradise mating I called it then, and sometimes still do.

God never told Adam and Eve they couldn’t come back, but to come back, they had to be taken through the fire swords weided by the two Cherubim, repeatedly, until they were purified and would not threaten the Tree of Life and its ways. I made that journey part of the way with five women, so far. It’s for real, but it’s probably impossible to understand it until it happens to you. It’s not a whole lot of fun either, although some of it is truly splendid and not at all of this world.

To most people,I look like I’m retired, because they only look at the outside me. If they could see the inside, they would have a different viewpoint. Maybe you are being readied to work in ways a bit different from the way you worked before you were “old and retired.” Maybe you are already working in that way and are being moved deeper into it. The Bible is a tremendous teaching tool, but all too often, as you seem to see, it is shrunk down to what people want it to mean, which makes it harder for God to expand those people’s perspectives, thus how they go about living.

I sort of doubt you can help me with the inner hardships, but we might have some things we will be shown to do together. I never know where anything is going when it shows up, and it’s always a good idea for me not to try to try to figure it out, but to let it be shown to me, as it unfolds, what my part in it is. This usually requires using my mind as an observer and receptor and decoder, with angelic input for the decoding. Very different, the opposite, in fact, of how I used to go about life.

Interesting.

Let’s keep in touch. As the photographers used to say before the age of digital photography, let’s see what develops.

Roger that. I used the beginning of your and my back and forth yesterday in today’s post. I need to spend time contemplating your suggestions and encouragement. It’s not easy to see so good when it’s me roasting in the flames.

Thanks, Sloan.

Referring back to Psalm 1, the first 3 bullet points all pertain to things we can do. Or rather, avoid doing. Verse 3 then describes what God wants to do in the life of guys who do the first 2 verses.

I just get the idea that God wants to bless His kids.

I agree, but am a bit fuzzy on when the blessings might come, if even on this world. Jesus seemed to be blessed with great difficulty on this world, as he built up a huge amount of spiritual capital.

I came to be of the view that we all are God’s kids, and the difference between Jesus and those who met him was he knew this and they didn’t, and he tried to explain it to them and show him how to be like him.

In later 1993, this verse came to me:

“God’s gifts are not for sale but are freely given to angels, saints, sinners, devils and fools alike, for all are God’s children.”

It was around then I came to view the Parable of the Prodigal son as a story Jesus told on himself; he once had been prodigal, otherwise how could he minister to other progidals?

I also came to view that parable as a prophesy of the eventual redemption of Lucifer, who also is one of God’s kids.

And I came to view the older brother in that story, angels who had never left God, and the brother I did not care to be at the end of that story.

In the spring of 1994, this verse fell out of me:

Earth, The sacred prism through which souls are refracted into their elemental parts, Purified in Holy Fire, Then one-forged and sent on their way to not even God knows where, Simply because they are all unique emanations of God, Evolving . . .

In August of 2000, this verse fell out of me . . .

Paradise . . .

All fig leaves burn All ugly seen All truth beauty All pain loved All people one All time now

How are things in lovely Key West?

Got reasonably close to Key West a couple weeks ago.

on a cruise ship coming back from Panama a woman got deathly ill so the captain diverted toward Key West so the Coast Guard Chopper could come get her very interesting to watch

depends on who you ask … hope the woman the chopper came and got is doing okay … hope you are doing okay

i am, but getting old

and how are you?

I don’t know how I’m doing

I’m guessing you really do

you may not know how others think you’re doing

but you know, yourself

I don’t know how I’m doing, it would only be a guess

stress level extreme, that’s no guess

might stress have been one of the reasons you opted out of the high-flying corporate life? and the wonderful world of lawyers and suits?

There was plenty of stress in both arenas, but the reason I opted out was it was not working for me in those arenas, I was seriously physically ill, and otherwise seriously ill, I knew it, I tried other arenas with similar results; the internal stress did not change through any of it; the angels then came and introduced me to an entirely different variety - varieties - of stress, to go along with the stress already going on internally. It’s all very loud right now; debilitating in human arenas, beliefs, ways, expectations, potential; incomprehensible to maybe all but two people I currently am currently involved with, perhaps only one those two really has a clue, she lives in north Georgia, is getting a lot of similar herself; the one here is not yet woke up enough to comprehend even her own dilemma, much less mine - angels.

I may hav some good news for you

I’m checking out of here?

no not at all

Or being checked out?

the Lord said his prime directive was to love one another as He loved us

that replaced ALL the old testament rules

and love our neighbor as ourself

which means

Yeah, I know that, but it was Jesus, I view God as the Lord

we need to love ourself as He loved us

Jesus was the postman, who lived the way so others would know what it looked like

what if you found that God called Jesus “God”?

Well, I suppose God called all people God, since they all came out of God; and all of the Creation, too; and not just this planet and the creatures and plants living on it

never called annyone else God

that I have seen

I wasn’t there, I didn’t hear it; I hear plenty, but not that; I hear Jesus knew what he was, the people around him had no clue who they were (except for Magdalene and Judas, they knew); Jesus told his disciples in the Gospels, they could be like but not greater than he; so if he was God, so could they be, but that’s not how I read that passage; only that they could advance to where he was when he told them that

I wasn’t there but thankfully HE wrote it all down

And Jesus did not say they would advance

He said His followers would do “greater things than these ”

in the original language the words mean “to a greater extent”

If you are talking about the Gospels, he did not write any of that down, and what was written down was only a tiny piece of what all Jesus was about, as Peter himself said in one of his letters: if it had all been written down what this man Jesus did, it would take all the books in the world, or something along that line

certainly would

but He also said ALL scripture is “theopneumos”

God-breathed

but one clear fact is that GOd loves you just as you are

no “if’s”

no “unless’es”

HE just loves you

hence you need to love yourself

the way He does

and be free from all the “ought to’s”, “shoulds”, and all the other rules that even the conventional church throws at folks

I think you are correct about God loving us as we are, uncondtionally; alas, humanity was so screwed up that one like Jesus showed up in its midst, to show it how screwed up it was (in that small region of the world), and how to go about things differently; and he was so well received and what he taught did not carry though well, but was replaced with a magic salvation formula which certainly pleased Lucifer and left Christendom hanging onto a molecule, instead of onto what is incomprehensible.

Lord’s message was really simple

“trust Me”

Jesus himself has been on my case a long time, with help from Archangel Michael and Melchizedek. Up close and personal. I don’t get to sit down face to face with God, they are in the way of that, and, frankly, I don’t imagine God speaks to anyone on this planet, but uses trusted angels to do that, and human beings mistake those angels for God, or sometimes see they are angels. The same principles apply, though, which you have summarized, including trust, or faith. You asked me how I was doing, I gave you and honest answer, then you toss the Bible at me. That’s your good news? Jesus was the good news. The Bible is a molecule in comparison.

you brought up the angels

the only reference book I have for them is the Bible

Unfortunately for humanity, with a few exceptions, Jesus was not received; perhaps a time will come when he is received; if that happens, this world will be very different , meanwhile, with a few exceptions, its really screwed up, and that’s above my pay grade; I’m at my limits engaging what is arranged daily for me to engage, and nightly …

so that is where I surmise some answers might lie

angels are GOd’s messengers sent for specific tasks

they will never go against what God has said in His Word

they are loyal

The Bible has answers, but few people use it correctly, because they are locked into the dogma and superstition and fake salvation formula; unless you have having direct engagements with angels, you might wish to not assume you know what they are or are about

the only person who need to use it correctly is you

t0 be of any benefit to you

There is no comprehending the direct experience with angels by reading the Bible; only a faint impression can be gleaned

my opinion as to what angels are about can only be what the Bible sets forth

and remember satan was an angel at one time, too

but he rebelled

I will sleep on what parts of the Bible I need to be embracing and living right now, it will be shown to me in dreams and other ways, if such are presently applicable; Satan still is an angel, and Lucifer, too; but they have cut themselves off from God, so they feed on sentient beings who still have some connection with God, to keep from starving to death

sleep on it

as you said

And, shockingly, God loves Satan and Lucifer, as much as God loves you and me, and Jesus, and Michael, and Melchizdek, for examples

does He say that?

you said it, but you did not know you said it

God loves us all

us

me us not an angel

me IS not an angel

created beings and not made in His image, which you and I are

All of God’s children, angels, human beings on this planet, sentient beings not on this planet, fallen angels, the whole shebang, God loves it all, because it all came out of God

God does not say that

You have locked yourself into a very narrow view of God and the Creation

and in fact He tells us not to love the things of this world

my view is as narrow as the Bible

and as broad as the Bible

anyway

as you said

your view of the Bible is narrow

sleep on it

again my view of the Bible is what the Bible says it is and what it says it says

a word of explanation…

Whether you buy what I say will likely not affect my life in any tangible way

I was told in a nap dream today, I was engaging something with 2 other people, in writing, it seemed; it was all intertwined, but my part of it was also separately recorded; you seem to be one of them; your view is very narrow, based on what all I have experienced with what is not of this world

hence i do not need your agreement to bolster my belief

so you might ask yourself why i would care to engage….

beyond that, think on these things

but for me, i can only base my beliefs on the Word, and not on anything my mind might produce

Oh, I think on these things every time someone tells me the bible is the WORD of God, when the Bible itself says Jesus is the WORD, and the Bible did not even exist when Jesus walked on this planet

logical, since much of it is about Him

Belief is just that, belief. Reality, history has proven, has little to do with belief. At one time, the Christian church persecuted people who believed the world was round and it revolved around the sun

sure did

people get stuff wrong all the time

which is why i trust only the Word

which hebrews 4″12 refers to it as

Paul wrote in one of his letters that his followers should stop having sex, there was no need to have more children, because Christ’s return was imminent; if Christianity had taken Paul’s advice which was based on belief, not fact, Christendom would have died out in 2-3 generations; but today, what Paul said in his letters is the Word of God, because it’s in the Bible. Good thing God was not bound by that.

What he said was that he preferred all remain single as he was, to devote themselves to service of GOd

but

rather than give in to lust wile unmarried, let each one take his own wife

and he was likely married, too

as he was a member of the sanhedrin

and being married seems to have been a requirement for them

Well, now you have brought up Hebrews, a book which describes in olden language a bit about Melchizedek and Jesus’ relationship thereto, and the initiation into that priesthood of people who had been picked to follow that lineage.

Paul told them that, too; but he was ages off on when Jesus would return.

Best to set Paul aside, try to swallow, chew and digest Jesus in the red-letter parts of the Gospels; that’s plenty of tonic for salvation through Jesus; all the rest is diversion, if you don’t drink that tonic.

mel and JEsus didn’t have a relationship as much as a similarity

hey

i did not mean to add to your stress

and being 4 years older than thee…….

and having gotten up unusually … for me … early this morning

That’s between you and Jesus; as is anyone’s relationship with him. He views each person as unique; not cut from the same cookie cutter, not to be jammed into the same production line and stamped out like robots.

perhaps we could continue the exchange at some later time?

i enjoy chewing over such matters

and seldom stumble across someone willing to dive deeply into this stuff here

i enjoy discussing things with people who differ with me

that seldom happens in Sunday school

Intellectual discourse is one thing, direct experience is something else entirely; the Bible can be memorized and believed totally, but it’s how we live that God looks at; and Jesus made that point many times in the Gospels.

and remember the instruction He left when He erased all the prior instructions…..

john 13:34

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

He did not erase his prior instructions; he summed up the program with love God with all of your heart, love your neighbor, and love each other as he had love them (to his disciples), which still applies today for anyone claiming he is their salvation. A very steep path few can manage. Imagine what it’s like for Jesus to see Christian American soldiers at war with Muslim soldiers (their neighbors) in such places as Iraq and Afghanistan, while back in America most Christian congregations still support those two wars God had nothing to do with.

Check Hebrews … that book, again … 8:13

anyway, sleep well tonight

be well rested

stress free

and let’s pick this up again, ok?

Many times I told Christians Jesus abolished the Old Testament, especially an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and he said to love and pray for and do good to your enemies, and to turn the other cheek, and they looked at me like I was daft, and they recited passages out of the Old Testament and chanted the Bible, all of it, is the word of God, and I told them they were trampling Jesus, crucifying him yet again with their backing America at war and other things they justified, which crushed the life out of Jesus’ own words and actions in the Gospels. It never occurred to them that, to the extent they became like Jesus themselves, that was the measure of their salvation by/through him.

Well, I’m going to sign off and be on the look out for what’s in my dreams tonight; that’s where Jesus and Michael and Melchizedek tend to have at me, every time I fall asleep, but they have quite a few other ways

it was certainly evidence of the abundance of their life

ok friend

God bless…

TTFN

Looked to me like abundance of denial, delusion

I dreamt of your and my FB chat last night, but there was nothing indicating I messed up. I have something personal, very difficult, going on in my life right now, and I’m trying to stay level, open, kind, and also real. Woke up before dawn this morning hearing the tune to “Delta Dawn” in my mind, so I found it online; seems to kinda fit this painful situation, time will tell more.

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