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Key West Cat Lady replied to yesterday’s So much for American democracy and patriotism – Bradley Manning should have been awarded The Congressional Medal of Honor; every American should trust Manning and Edward Snowden to protect them and the rest of the world more than they trust President Obama, Vice President Biden, Hillary Clinton, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and John McCain; Americans should write-in Manning for president in 2016, and Snowden for vice-president … followed by angel dream torture of yours truly, and a grubby Vatican expose in Key West at goodmorningfloridakeys.com:
Sloan! Yes! Bradley Chelsea E. Manning For President!!!! It would be a tough call, though if Mr. Snowden Ran too! I can’t think of any finer patriots, someone who would actually lay their life down for this great Country (well it used to be, until corruption hit the fan at every level!). Keep Up The Good Work, Sloan! Bless Ya! Jan
I wrote back yesterday:
Hi, Jan – Thanks, I have to give the angels most of the credit for riding my butt until I found the Chris Hedges forward in my junk mail folder. So far, nobody has gone anywhere near acknowledging that the angels had a hand in today’s bugle blast; maybe that would be entirely too freaky to take in. When you claim to be “one nation, under God,” you ask God to put you to proving it, and proving it, and proving it. So far, USA ain’t proving it, although Manning and Snowden certainly provided yet another opportunity. Sloan
I wrote to Jan this morning:
Hi, Jan – Used to be pretty well sums it up. After pondering Manning’s revelation that he felt like a girl all his life and he wants to be one henceforth, I was reminded of the prayer the angels asked me to make last Thanksgiving for a Divine Intervention of the feminine into USA, and I wondered if Chelsea Manning is part of the answer to that prayer? The Lord do work is mysterious ways, don’t She? Sloan
Yes She Do, Sloan!
Chaz Surf FREEDOM-when gov’t afraid of its people SLAVERY- when the people are afraid of their gov’t
Sloan Bashinsky Seems we have both here in America – Gov’t afraid of its people, people afraid of their government
Chaz Surf absolutely S
Erika Biddle ‘In 2008, candidate Obama hailed whistleblowing as “acts of courage and patriotism”, which “should be encouraged rather than stifled as they have been during the Bush administration”.’ —Glenn Greenwald, in “The Guardian.”
Sloan Bashinsky After Obama beat out Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Party presidential nomination in middish 2008, I told quite a few people, and published in several posts, that Obama was a chameleon and that I had been told in my sleep that he had the potential to be the Anti-Christ. As far as I was concerned, he proved that potential when he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize while waging his predecessors’ 2 awful wars, which he had led everyone to believe he was going to end if he was elected president. Thanks for the swell news that he did the chameleon thing with whistleblowing, too. Whatever is expedient?
George Crosby the proper term?…JUDAS GOAT!
Sloan Bashinsky Barack Obama? George W. Bush? Both?
Alabama Vietnam veteran lawyer buddy Hawkman replied to yesterday’s post:
Peggy Butler, retired registered nurse, formerly of Key West, emailed re yesterday’s post:
Good afternoon, Sloan,
With the revelation by NSA a day or so ago admitting they had read the emails of thousands of innocent United States citizens, it came as no surprise that Manning was convicted. Yes, we should be grateful for his and Snowden’s revelations of what’s been going on for decades, starting with the administration of George W Bush and Dick Cheney’s Patriot Act, but it comes as no surprise that our government was not going to put up with our learning of it, so they had to stop the messengers.
Snowden, despite their denying it, will definitely be tried and convicted, also, if he ever steps a foot on American soil again. Hopefully, Manning will be paroled in seven years, but I wonder how safe he will be if and when that happens, because there are probably ‘militia’ groups who would love to “do their civic duty” and take him out. Hard to believe that could happen in the USA, but we know it is definitely a probability.
I wrote back:
Hi Peggy – Maybe Manning will be held in a military prison/detention center? Maybe that will protect him from civilian prison “politics”. In any event, I would think militia groups are freaked out about Uncle Sam Stalin spying on Americans, so I likewise think militia groups should be grateful for Manning and Snowden proving what militia groups have been accused of being paranoid for preaching all along: Uncle Sam Stalin ain’t to be trusted. Manning and Snowden struck a very deep nerve in America, across party and religious lines. Received a really hot anti-Manning/Snowden reply from one of my readers, and other replies, all of which might aggregate tomorrow into a sequel of today’s bugle blast.
Sloan I hadn’t thought of it along those lines (re militia groups), Sloan, but perhaps you’re right, that they’re as incensed as the rest of us over the spying.
I wrote back:
Hard for me to imagine the militia groups don’t view Snowden and Manning as heroes, but I don’t belong to a militia group, never was around one of which I was aware.
I’ve never belonged to or been around militia groups (to my knowledge), so I really don’t know how they view Snowden and Manning, whether they see them as heroes or whether they see them as unpatriotic. You and I will never know, not having had any contact with those groups.
I wrote back:
From all I’ve read and heard and seen on TV of militia groups, they do not like the US Government, view it as their main enemy, and their right to bear arms as their main defense against the US Government. Wouldn’t surprise me to hear that militia groups, at the very least, have serious mixed feelings about what Uncle Sam did to Manning and wants to do to Snowden.
Republican replied to yesterday’s post:
This not not for publication. Both of those guys are ________ traitors. Incidentally, this is where the far right and far left come together. Ron Paul and Ron Wyden agree on this stuff. I am for privacy, but I don’t think what NSA did/does really hurts you or me in any identifiable way. Al Qaida is a lot more difficult to fight than Hitler or Tojo since we knew whom and where to attack with them. I’m willing to give up a theoretical attack to my privacy to keep those nut cases from seriously damaging our country.
I wrote back:
Wasn’t Manning prosecuted for spilling the beans on G.W. Bush & Crew’s Iraq foraging? Wasn’t he not allowed to use what he knew against them as grounds for his whistleblowing, in defending the prosecution? It was “classified” information, so it was illegal for him to squeal it, even if every bit of it was true and proof that G. W. Bush & Crew were war criminals and traitors.
For me, it ain’t my privacy being invaded what bothers me. All those spooks boys are welcome to read anything I write, listen to all of my telephone conversations. Like I give a shit what they think about me, other than I often wish they would send someone to bump me off for exercising my American right of free speech and freedom of the press.
What bothers me is wondering what various wingnuts working for NSA, CIA, FBI, Eric Holder, Barack Obama and his successor might hypnotize themselves into misunderstanding, like G.W. Bush and his confederacy of dunces did when they made up their minds USA had to invade Iraq, which turned out to be a giant crime against humanity, including against American humanity. Then, the idiots, not having learned anything from Vietnam, nor from the Soviets’ own Vietnam, which was Afghanistan, invaded Afghanistan.
Between G.W. Bush & Crew, and Barack Hussein Obama & Crew, far more Americans alone were killed and maimed for no good reason, than al Qaeda probably in its wildest dreams will never come close to matching.
I was wondering how you might reply to what I posted today, and it was about what I was expecting, if you did reply. Whether or not I publish yours is beyond your and my control, but I don’t have to identify you in any way. What you wrote does that generically.
OK, publish without my name, but change the expletive to bleeping.
The Republicans’ dilemma, another GS11 contribution:
And the Democrats’ dilemma, which makes it the Republicans’ dilemma:
Right now, I’m thinking to myself, “If this wasn’t so horrible, America my country right or wrong would be hilarious.”
Had dinner last night with GS11 at Key West VFW, one of their elected officials – Judge Advocate.
Vietnam veteran, retired Naval Air Station Key West civilian contractor, sometimes persecuted whistleblower, GS11 said Bradley Manning has more humanity in him than all the rest of Americans.
GS11 also said homeless US vets, such as this amigo below at a Memorial Day service in the Key West cemetery,
were banned from the Key West VFW.
Later, GS11 forwarded:
|Manning Wronged and Miranda’s Rights|
By Amy Goodman, Denis Moynihan, Democracy Now! 23 August 13
RSN [Reader Supported News] Special Coverage: Trial of Bradley Manning
There is not a flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people,” wrote the late historian Howard Zinn, author of “A People’s History of the United States.”
These words were included in a statement by Pfc. Bradley Manning, read by his defense attorney David Coombs, at a press conference following Manning’s sentencing to 35 years in military prison for releasing hundreds of thousands of documents to the whistle-blower website WikiLeaks. The statement accompanies Manning’s request to President Barack Obama for a presidential pardon.
Across the Atlantic, David Miranda, the partner of journalist Glenn Greenwald, was detained under Britain’s terrorism laws at London’s Heathrow Airport, his electronic equipment was confiscated, and he was interrogated and threatened with prison.
Both events have heightened the already intense level of scrutiny on the expanding, seemingly unchecked reach of the U.S. government.
Miranda is rattled, but free. Manning will soon head, shackled, to begin serving his sentence.
NSA whistle-blower Edward Snowden remains in temporary political asylum somewhere in Russia, and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange continues his residence in exile, not far from Heathrow, in the cramped Ecuadorean Embassy in London.
What is remarkable is that this patchwork of individuals has set this brave, new world of global war and surveillance reeling.
“It was not until I was in Iraq and reading secret military reports on a daily basis that I started to question the morality of what we were doing,” Manning wrote in the statement read by Coombs.
“Whenever we killed innocent civilians, instead of accepting responsibility for our conduct, we elected to hide behind the veil of national security and classified information in order to avoid any public accountability.”
As he said at the opening of his court-martial, Manning released the confidential material to “spark a domestic debate on the role of the military and our foreign policy.”
The most graphic example was his release of the Apache attack helicopter video, where at least a dozen civilians were killed. The video includes radio transmissions between the soldiers, joking about the violence they were committing. While the video, released by WikiLeaks under the title “Collateral Murder,” is graphic, the additional releases by Manning shed a bright light on the classified wars being waged by the U.S. government, far from public view.
The War Diaries (http://wardiary.wikileaks.org) include hundreds of thousands of field reports from both Afghanistan and Iraq. In cold military jargon, the classified documents reveal the scale of the brutality of war, the routine violence, and the daily killing of civilians. Coombs continued with Manning’s statement: “In our zeal to kill the enemy, we internally debated the definition of torture. We held individuals at Guantanamo for years without due process. We inexplicably turned a blind eye to torture and executions by the Iraqi government. And we stomached countless other acts in the name of our war on terror.”
Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras are the two journalists who have collaborated on the Snowden leaks from the outset.
Last weekend, David Miranda, a citizen of Brazil, was detained by British authorities for nine hours under Schedule 7 of the U.K. Terrorism Act of 2000. Lord Charles Falconer, who helped introduce the law into the British House of Lords, says Miranda’s detention was an abuse of the law. “Publication in the Guardian is not instigating terrorism,” Falconer wrote in that paper. “The state may wish that journalists would not publish sensitive material, but it is up to journalists, not the state, to decide where to draw the line.”
While Miranda is not a journalist, he has long assisted his partner Greenwald in his work, and the authorities in Britain, including Prime Minister David Cameron, who reportedly had advance knowledge of Miranda’s detention, knew full well that he was no terrorist. The violation of Miranda’s rights has created a political firestorm in Britain, whose equivalent to the National Security Agency, the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), has come under equal scrutiny for widespread surveillance.
David Coombs finished reading Manning’s statement at the post-sentencing press conference: “When I chose to disclose classified information, I did so out of a love for my country and a sense of duty to others.”
Addressing President Obama, Manning wrote: “If you deny my request for a pardon, I will serve my time knowing that sometimes you have to pay a heavy price to live in a free society. I will gladly pay that price if it means we could have a country that is truly conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all women and men are created equal.”
The morning after his sentencing, Manning issued a statement that read, in part, ” As I transition into this next phase of my life, I want everyone to know the real me. I am Chelsea Manning. I am a female. Given the way that I feel, and have felt since childhood, I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible. I hope that you will support me in this transition.”